Marte napisao:
Pisete "iskljucit aparate" . Kako ? Kako ih iskljuciti ? Odlukom nekoga da se "aparat iskljuci " jos nije iskljucen.
Je li misli tko o onome ko to mora uciniti? Ja njegujem pacijenta. Da li je u komi, da li je senilan, da li je samo trenutno na tretmanu i otici ce doma, sa istom ljubavlju.
Ko ima pravo da nekome nalozi da "iskljuci aparat" ? Znaci zato sto neko ne vjeruje da ce ta osoba opet sa njim ici na kavu, da ucini mene ili drugo med.osoblje ubicom ?????
Razmislite malo. Ovdje vec na veliko se djeca abortiraju jer je neko odlucio da djete nece roditi jer moze bit hendikepirano....
Gdje je pocetak selektiranja vrednote zivota ?
Sve je u ruci Boga. I ako neko zivi sa aparatima i 10 godina, zasigurno ima to nekog smisla. Da li mi smisao u tome vidimo, je nesto drugo ali ne odlucujuce.
Marte, posve si u pravu...evo ja se opet zakačila za ovu temu...jer mi nešto nije dalo mira, malo sam istraživala i vidjela da zaista postoje slučajevi "oživljenja mozga".
Medicina mora biti u službi života, a ne smrti.
Slažem se da ne može stajati izjava :"ako je Božja volja čovjek će preživjeti i bez aparata", jer u tom slučaju smo kao Jehovci koji ne dozvole tranfuziju krvi u službi spasa nečijega života, te je zaista svrha medicine pomalo upitna ako se čovjek sam mora izboriti za svoj život bez lijekova, liječnika i aparata. Uvjerena sam kao i Marte da Božja svemogućnost nije ograničena zakonima "ljudskoga znanja". Bog se jedino zaustavlja pred ljudskom slobodom i ljudskom vjerom. Samo ako je čovjek spreman povjerovati... tada padaju naši ljudski zakoni pred Božjom svemoći. '
"Ta Bogu je sve moguće''.
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Evo donosim Vam svjedočanstvo o čudesnom oživljenju mrtvog mozga Jeremy Handa nakon zagovorničkih molitava Sv. Ocu Ivanu Pavlu II i pomazanja svetim uljem iz relikvija Sv. Walburga od časnih sestara iz Bavarske.
Jeremy Hand: Miraculous Recovery from "Brain Death" After Anointing With Holy Oil?
Tuesday, June 20, 2006 Back on 20 March 2006, I requested urgent prayer on this blog, for Jeremy Hand, the son of a friend of mine, Catholic webmaster and social activist Stephen Hand. Then we prayed for the intercession of John Paul II, and the sisters from Bavaria sent us Holy Oil from the relics of St. Walburga (a saint we never heard of) with which we anointed him in prayer.
Jeremy has remarkably improved, which has "amazed" his doctors and nurses.
Four neurologists had counseled his parents to not even use a feeding tube to preserve his life, which they felt would be cognitively meaningless. But the Hands heroically persevered and followed their conscience in adherence with the life-affirming teachings of the Catholic faith in this regard. If they had not done so, Jeremy would have been dead..
Christians among us who accept the possibility of miracles and their continuing reality in this world, also rejoice and thank God for mercifully performing one in this initially very tragic situation. God may choose to do that or not,or else natural processes may enable that desired outcome. We can't always know or understand God's purposes or will.
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I još jednom se možemo osvjedočiti u Božju svemogućnost i dobrotu kod još jednog slučaja oživljenja mrtvoga mozga mladića Zack Dunlapa prije samo 4 mjeseca. Ustanovljena je smrt mozga, prije nego su ga isključili sa aparata i pripremili organe za transplantaciju, njegova baka opraštala se od njega i zadnji put obratila ovim riječima: „Zack ako si tu, ako me čuješ zamoli Gospodina da te vrati“. Gospodin je odgovorio njegovoj molbi i čudesno ga vratio u život/b].
[b]Man makes “miraculous” recovery from brain death after accident
Oklahoma City, Mar 27, 2008 / 05:58 am (CNA).- A young man who was injured in an all-terrain-vehicle accident woke from his coma and showed signs of life just minutes before he was to be disconnected from life support, Dateline NBC reports.
Zack Dunlap suffered a broken collarbone, multiple skull fractures, and “absolutely catastrophic” brain injuries when his four-wheeled off-road vehicle flipped over.
After tests revealed no blood flow to Dunlap’s brain, doctors determined he met the legal and medical requirements for declaring someone brain-dead.
Dunlap’s family decided to remove him from life support, and a medical team prepared to harvest Dunlap’s organs for donation. Oklahoma authorities were informed of his death, while friends and family were told to gather at the hospital to say their goodbyes.
Dunlap’s grandmother, Naomi Blackford, went in and prayed for him. She said to Dateline NBC that she was asking for “Just a miracle. That he was too young for God to take him. It wasn't time.”
Dunlap’s cousin Christie Coffin, a nurse, said, “I sat there and I just said to him, ‘Zack, if you're in there, if you can hear me, ask God to help you.’ And I mean it probably wasn't 10 minutes later, I started getting this different feeling in my gut. And I thought, ‘he's not ready.’”
Another cousin who is also a nurse, Dan Coffin, thought the monitor recording Dunlap’s vital signs showed signs of improvement. On a hunch he pulled out his pocketknife and scraped Dunlap’s foot from his heel to his toes.
Dunlap jerked his foot, but the attending hospital nurse believed it was only a reflex. Dan Coffin then stuck his fingernail beneath Dunlap’s fingernail, which provoked a purposeful movement, a sign of brain activity.
Doctors immediately resumed medical treatment. Dunlap opened his eyes after five days, and was taken off a ventilator two days later.
The following week Dunlap began responding to his neurosurgeon and spoke his first words to his parents. Dunlap’s mother, Pam, said, “He looked around, and he said, ‘I love you’.”
He began taking steps later that day.
Dunlap’s trauma surgeon said he had no medical explanation for his recovery, and said all procedures were followed.
Doctors insisted the tests administered to Dunlap were accurate, and said the hospital would have detected his renewed vital signs before any organs were harvested.
Forty-eight days after being declared dead, Dunlap returned home, where Dan Coffin presented him with the pocketknife that proved he was still alive.
“I had heard of miracles all my life. But I had never seen a miracle. But I have seen a miracle. I've got proof of it,” said Dunlap’s grandmother.
“We both feel that God has some big plan for Zack. We'll do everything in our power to help him pursue it -- whatever it is,” said Dunlap’s mother, Pam.
Dunlap said he did not remember the accident, but he does remember the doctor declaring him dead. “I heard it and it just made me mad inside,” he said.
Amal Moorad, medical director of the Jim Thorpe Rehabilitation Hospital in Oklahoma City where Dunlap recuperated, explained the patient’s prognosis. “Anytime you have severe brain injury, you'll never be the same again from a mental, emotional standpoint,” he said.
“Zack will be very close to normal, but not 100 percent, and only time will tell us.”
Dunlap has resolved to pursue fishing. “No more 4-wheeling,” he told Dateline NBC.
Zack Dunlap's interview on Dateline NBC can be viewed at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4syekkzT0po